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		<title>By: What is HumanisticPaganism? (2.0)* &#171; Humanistic Paganism</title>
		<link>http://humanisticpaganism.com/2012/10/17/three-transcendents-part-4-mind/#comment-3866</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] A deep and satisfying life awaits.  One may even explore a kind of naturalistic transcendence, discovering oneself in relation to nature, community, and mind. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A deep and satisfying life awaits.  One may even explore a kind of naturalistic transcendence, discovering oneself in relation to nature, community, and mind. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Editor B</title>
		<link>http://humanisticpaganism.com/2012/10/17/three-transcendents-part-4-mind/#comment-3825</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 11:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why certainly. At your discretion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why certainly. At your discretion.</p>
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		<title>By: B. T. Newberg</title>
		<link>http://humanisticpaganism.com/2012/10/17/three-transcendents-part-4-mind/#comment-3824</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[B. T. Newberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 07:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Love the Romancing the Void article.  Would make a good addition to HP, actually, if you&#039;re game.  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the Romancing the Void article.  Would make a good addition to HP, actually, if you&#8217;re game.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Editor B</title>
		<link>http://humanisticpaganism.com/2012/10/17/three-transcendents-part-4-mind/#comment-3822</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 01:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder if nothingness qualifies in the same category? For what it&#039;s worth I wrote some thoughts on this a few years back. http://b.rox.com/2010/03/11/romancing-the-void/ Fairly disorganized compared to what you&#039;ve presented, but in the same spirit, mayhap.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if nothingness qualifies in the same category? For what it&#8217;s worth I wrote some thoughts on this a few years back. <a href="http://b.rox.com/2010/03/11/romancing-the-void/" rel="nofollow">http://b.rox.com/2010/03/11/romancing-the-void/</a> Fairly disorganized compared to what you&#8217;ve presented, but in the same spirit, mayhap.</p>
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		<title>By: B. T. Newberg</title>
		<link>http://humanisticpaganism.com/2012/10/17/three-transcendents-part-4-mind/#comment-3814</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[B. T. Newberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 00:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s awesome, B.  So glad it was useful.  I can&#039;t imagine a better endorsement!

Just wish I could think of a term I liked better than &quot;three transcendents&quot;...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s awesome, B.  So glad it was useful.  I can&#8217;t imagine a better endorsement!</p>
<p>Just wish I could think of a term I liked better than &#8220;three transcendents&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Editor B</title>
		<link>http://humanisticpaganism.com/2012/10/17/three-transcendents-part-4-mind/#comment-3812</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 16:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I came back to this series recently and reviewed the ideas. I found them very helpful in preparing for a faculty development session here at the University where I work. We brought in a speaker who talked to us about a contemplative practice from the Christian tradition. I was called upon to explicate how one might approach the practice from a naturalistic or humanistic perspective. So, I used the Three Transcendents. And it was very well received. Thank you so much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came back to this series recently and reviewed the ideas. I found them very helpful in preparing for a faculty development session here at the University where I work. We brought in a speaker who talked to us about a contemplative practice from the Christian tradition. I was called upon to explicate how one might approach the practice from a naturalistic or humanistic perspective. So, I used the Three Transcendents. And it was very well received. Thank you so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Lateral Transcendence: Toward Greater Compassion &#124; The Allergic Pagan</title>
		<link>http://humanisticpaganism.com/2012/10/17/three-transcendents-part-4-mind/#comment-3069</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2012 14:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] B.T. then devoted a separate post to each one of the three transcendents: Nature, Community, and Mind.  B.T. defines transcendence as an experience of something greater than ourselves.  It is an [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: B. T. Newberg</title>
		<link>http://humanisticpaganism.com/2012/10/17/three-transcendents-part-4-mind/#comment-3040</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 06:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;Often, it is simply acting out the internal feelings that provides the ‘untying’ whether it be speaking, gestures, or other acts.

No disagreement here.  How wonderful, then, to be able to do this on your own, with no other presence necessary than your own unconscious mind.  I believe talking to animals, as you bring up, is a very close analogy to what I described.

&gt;Internal conditioning would be what you appear to be doing, common to that of meditations where the person intentionally conditions themselves to certain reactions through specific actions/poses.

Agreed here too.  Conditioning is a large and important part of it, and it is conscious and intentional.  I do think there is more involved than that, e.g. rhythmic chanting facilitating an altered state of mind, supernormal mother figure encouraging a certain open and empathetic mood, etc., but conditioning is a very significant element.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Often, it is simply acting out the internal feelings that provides the ‘untying’ whether it be speaking, gestures, or other acts.</p>
<p>No disagreement here.  How wonderful, then, to be able to do this on your own, with no other presence necessary than your own unconscious mind.  I believe talking to animals, as you bring up, is a very close analogy to what I described.</p>
<p>&gt;Internal conditioning would be what you appear to be doing, common to that of meditations where the person intentionally conditions themselves to certain reactions through specific actions/poses.</p>
<p>Agreed here too.  Conditioning is a large and important part of it, and it is conscious and intentional.  I do think there is more involved than that, e.g. rhythmic chanting facilitating an altered state of mind, supernormal mother figure encouraging a certain open and empathetic mood, etc., but conditioning is a very significant element.</p>
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		<title>By: Rua Lupa</title>
		<link>http://humanisticpaganism.com/2012/10/17/three-transcendents-part-4-mind/#comment-3036</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rua Lupa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thoroughly enjoyed this post. It had a lot of good points to it. So before I go on, I want to point out anything that I don&#039;t touch on I did like and for the most part agree with. 

There are a few things I want to touch on for the untying the emotional knot. Often, it is simply acting out the internal feelings that provides the &#039;untying&#039; whether it be speaking, gestures, or other acts. Having an non-judgmental ear is also beneficial in this. In my case I most enjoy talking with fellow creatures, even though I know they don&#039;t understand me I know they won&#039;t judge me based on what I&#039;m saying and are really great at providing their full attention - unless they&#039;re cats :P (jk). In your case it appears that the listening ear is a fictitious one, but none the less it provides that avenue. Another thing is that we&#039;re are often conditioned (via society, family etc.) or condition ourselves in a way that we personally respond to a specific set of actions. i.e. Pavlov&#039;s dog. I&#039;ve learned not long ago about one way I was conditioned. Where one action from another causes a seemingly unrelated reaction from me. Which upon exploring this unusual response discovered it was externally conditioned through family life. Now knowing the source I can now work toward removing this unwanted conditioning. This is an example of external conditioning. Internal conditioning would be what you appear to be doing, common to that of meditations where the person intentionally conditions themselves to certain reactions through specific actions/poses. As these actions/poses are continuously reinforced with a certain state of mind. So later on when that state of mind is wanted that action or pose sets it off. Martial arts would be another good example of this. Where blocking is trained to become instinctive - where a visual cue causes the blocking reaction without consciously thinking about it. 


&quot;It is greater in both degree and kind.  To sound its depths is indeed to discover something greater than oneself.&quot;

So I don&#039;t think its about something &#039;greater&#039; than yourself, just another part of yourself. 

As in my comments on the post with the poll. I don&#039;t particularly see any need for &#039;transcendence&#039; or &#039;the next level&#039; as it implies one thing is better than the other or previous, which I don’t think is the case. Nothing is greater or better, it just is. Each degree having something harmful and beneficial. Not becoming more orderly as each has its own form of chaos. What we perceive as order is just chaos giving way to patterns. So this idea of &#039;transcendence&#039; comes across as saying this pattern is better and greater than this pattern that precedes it. As you cannot have one without the other, I fail to see how there can be &#039;transcendence&#039; since everything is a network or web of interactions, having no hierarchy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thoroughly enjoyed this post. It had a lot of good points to it. So before I go on, I want to point out anything that I don&#8217;t touch on I did like and for the most part agree with. </p>
<p>There are a few things I want to touch on for the untying the emotional knot. Often, it is simply acting out the internal feelings that provides the &#8216;untying&#8217; whether it be speaking, gestures, or other acts. Having an non-judgmental ear is also beneficial in this. In my case I most enjoy talking with fellow creatures, even though I know they don&#8217;t understand me I know they won&#8217;t judge me based on what I&#8217;m saying and are really great at providing their full attention &#8211; unless they&#8217;re cats <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  (jk). In your case it appears that the listening ear is a fictitious one, but none the less it provides that avenue. Another thing is that we&#8217;re are often conditioned (via society, family etc.) or condition ourselves in a way that we personally respond to a specific set of actions. i.e. Pavlov&#8217;s dog. I&#8217;ve learned not long ago about one way I was conditioned. Where one action from another causes a seemingly unrelated reaction from me. Which upon exploring this unusual response discovered it was externally conditioned through family life. Now knowing the source I can now work toward removing this unwanted conditioning. This is an example of external conditioning. Internal conditioning would be what you appear to be doing, common to that of meditations where the person intentionally conditions themselves to certain reactions through specific actions/poses. As these actions/poses are continuously reinforced with a certain state of mind. So later on when that state of mind is wanted that action or pose sets it off. Martial arts would be another good example of this. Where blocking is trained to become instinctive &#8211; where a visual cue causes the blocking reaction without consciously thinking about it. </p>
<p>&#8220;It is greater in both degree and kind.  To sound its depths is indeed to discover something greater than oneself.&#8221;</p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t think its about something &#8216;greater&#8217; than yourself, just another part of yourself. </p>
<p>As in my comments on the post with the poll. I don&#8217;t particularly see any need for &#8216;transcendence&#8217; or &#8216;the next level&#8217; as it implies one thing is better than the other or previous, which I don’t think is the case. Nothing is greater or better, it just is. Each degree having something harmful and beneficial. Not becoming more orderly as each has its own form of chaos. What we perceive as order is just chaos giving way to patterns. So this idea of &#8216;transcendence&#8217; comes across as saying this pattern is better and greater than this pattern that precedes it. As you cannot have one without the other, I fail to see how there can be &#8216;transcendence&#8217; since everything is a network or web of interactions, having no hierarchy.</p>
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		<title>By: Upcoming work &#171; Humanistic Paganism</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Upcoming work &#171; Humanistic Paganism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 12:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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