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	<title>Comments on: Isis in Big History, Part 3: From the Middle Ages to the Modern Era</title>
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		<title>By: Upcoming work &#171; Humanistic Paganism</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Upcoming work &#171; Humanistic Paganism</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2012 12:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: B. T. Newberg</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 06:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly, John!  This is one way to contextualize myths in Big History, but there are many others.  Big History is usually told from a certain set of scientific fields and theories, but I was hoping someone would bring up other less typical but equally naturalistic sources of information.  Campbell and Neumann are good examples.  Of course, one should make an effort to use the best current science, so any given source is open to critique and evaluation, but in principle there are a wide variety of options, from anthropology and sociology to neurotheology.

I&#039;m glad you called me out on the provocativeness of the &quot;meaningless outside Big History&quot; claim.  I confess I was trying to turn some heads.  I think *for naturalists* myths lose a certain sense of reality outside some kind of naturalistic historical context.  We&#039;ve seen commenters on HP scratch their heads in bewilderment at what value ancient myths could possibly have today, apparently considering them equal to quaint old-fashioned stories.  In this series, I&#039;ve tried to create a concrete sense of their meaningful consequences in history in a way naturalists can understand.

Non-naturalists will disagree, of course, with the claim that myths are meaningless outside Big History.  Since they may make meaning using different root metaphors, the claim does not extend to them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly, John!  This is one way to contextualize myths in Big History, but there are many others.  Big History is usually told from a certain set of scientific fields and theories, but I was hoping someone would bring up other less typical but equally naturalistic sources of information.  Campbell and Neumann are good examples.  Of course, one should make an effort to use the best current science, so any given source is open to critique and evaluation, but in principle there are a wide variety of options, from anthropology and sociology to neurotheology.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you called me out on the provocativeness of the &#8220;meaningless outside Big History&#8221; claim.  I confess I was trying to turn some heads.  I think *for naturalists* myths lose a certain sense of reality outside some kind of naturalistic historical context.  We&#8217;ve seen commenters on HP scratch their heads in bewilderment at what value ancient myths could possibly have today, apparently considering them equal to quaint old-fashioned stories.  In this series, I&#8217;ve tried to create a concrete sense of their meaningful consequences in history in a way naturalists can understand.</p>
<p>Non-naturalists will disagree, of course, with the claim that myths are meaningless outside Big History.  Since they may make meaning using different root metaphors, the claim does not extend to them.</p>
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		<title>By: John Halstead</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Halstead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 01:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I look forward to reading the final installment about &quot;one Contemporary Pagan&#039;s&quot; experience of Isis.  I&#039;m still still trying to wrap my mind around your thesis.  It seems like a very different way of understanding myth from what I am familiar with -- but maybe not so.  I find the claim that &quot;myths are meaningless outside Big History&quot; to be very provocative and I&#039;m surprised that no one has taken issue with it.  I think you&#039;ve done a superb job of showing one way of giving meaning to myth -- but I don&#039;t see why it has to be exclusive.  For me, the &quot;Big History&quot; which makes myth meaningful would probably be something more like Joseph Campbell&#039;s monomyth or Erich Neumann&#039;s description of the evolution of consciousness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look forward to reading the final installment about &#8220;one Contemporary Pagan&#8217;s&#8221; experience of Isis.  I&#8217;m still still trying to wrap my mind around your thesis.  It seems like a very different way of understanding myth from what I am familiar with &#8212; but maybe not so.  I find the claim that &#8220;myths are meaningless outside Big History&#8221; to be very provocative and I&#8217;m surprised that no one has taken issue with it.  I think you&#8217;ve done a superb job of showing one way of giving meaning to myth &#8212; but I don&#8217;t see why it has to be exclusive.  For me, the &#8220;Big History&#8221; which makes myth meaningful would probably be something more like Joseph Campbell&#8217;s monomyth or Erich Neumann&#8217;s description of the evolution of consciousness.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenys Livingstone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glenys Livingstone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 12:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[what an amazing piece of work Brandon - the whole series ... it all looks very good IMO. I hope to give it more detailed attention.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what an amazing piece of work Brandon &#8211; the whole series &#8230; it all looks very good IMO. I hope to give it more detailed attention.</p>
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