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		<title>By: Big History: The Heart of Spiritual Naturalism &#124; The Spiritual Naturalist Society</title>
		<link>http://humanisticpaganism.com/2012/07/01/big-history-a-core-narrative-for-hp/#comment-2981</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big History: The Heart of Spiritual Naturalism &#124; The Spiritual Naturalist Society]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 04:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] This article first appeared at Humanistic Paganism. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Isis in Big History, Part 4: From the Cosmos to Daily Life &#171; Humanistic Paganism</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Isis in Big History, Part 4: From the Cosmos to Daily Life &#171; Humanistic Paganism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] This is the final installment in a series exploring the myth of Isis in the context of Big History.  For part 1, tracing the story from the Big Bang to the rise of agriculture, go here.  Part 2 is here, and Part 3 here.  For a proposal of Big History as the narrative core of naturalism, including HP, go here. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is the final installment in a series exploring the myth of Isis in the context of Big History.  For part 1, tracing the story from the Big Bang to the rise of agriculture, go here.  Part 2 is here, and Part 3 here.  For a proposal of Big History as the narrative core of naturalism, including HP, go here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Isis in Big History, Part 3: From the Middle Ages to the Modern Era &#171; Humanistic Paganism</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Isis in Big History, Part 3: From the Middle Ages to the Modern Era &#171; Humanistic Paganism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 12:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] This post is the third in a 4-part series exploring the myth of Isis in the context of Big History.  For part 1 go here, for part 2 here.  For a proposal of Big History as the narrative core of naturalism, including HP, go here. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post is the third in a 4-part series exploring the myth of Isis in the context of Big History.  For part 1 go here, for part 2 here.  For a proposal of Big History as the narrative core of naturalism, including HP, go here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Isis in Big History, Part 2: From the Egyptians to Late Antiquity &#171; Humanistic Paganism</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Isis in Big History, Part 2: From the Egyptians to Late Antiquity &#171; Humanistic Paganism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] This post is the second in a 4-part series exploring the myth of Isis in the context of Big History.  For part 1, tracing the story from the Big Bang to the rise of agriculture, go here.  For a proposal of Big History as the narrative core of naturalism, including HP, go here. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post is the second in a 4-part series exploring the myth of Isis in the context of Big History.  For part 1, tracing the story from the Big Bang to the rise of agriculture, go here.  For a proposal of Big History as the narrative core of naturalism, including HP, go here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Isis in Big History, Part 1: From the Big Bang to Agriculture &#171; Humanistic Paganism</title>
		<link>http://humanisticpaganism.com/2012/07/01/big-history-a-core-narrative-for-hp/#comment-2671</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Isis in Big History, Part 1: From the Big Bang to Agriculture &#171; Humanistic Paganism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Last time, I ended with a controversial claim: For naturalists, myths are meaningless outside Big History. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Upcoming work &#171; Humanistic Paganism</title>
		<link>http://humanisticpaganism.com/2012/07/01/big-history-a-core-narrative-for-hp/#comment-2658</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Upcoming work &#171; Humanistic Paganism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 12:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Big History: A narrative core for HP?, by B. T. Newberg [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: B. T. Newberg</title>
		<link>http://humanisticpaganism.com/2012/07/01/big-history-a-core-narrative-for-hp/#comment-2647</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[B. T. Newberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;I think one of the things that is really holding back paganism and pantheism is a fear of becoming like Christians.

Well, I do think it is critical to avoid repeating the mistakes of the past.  That&#039;s one reason why I find it so sad that Paganism is turning in the direction of hard theism, like most of Christianity, because when I joined Paganism I thought it was a really truly radical, progressive religion that would not replace one unprovable faith-based deity with another.  Not so, I&#039;m finding.  Not so.

Christian-bashing does little good, but I think it is vital that we take care not to become &quot;like&quot; Christians in certain ways. Specifically, the ways that it is no longer functional and fulfilling in our modern context and lives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;I think one of the things that is really holding back paganism and pantheism is a fear of becoming like Christians.</p>
<p>Well, I do think it is critical to avoid repeating the mistakes of the past.  That&#8217;s one reason why I find it so sad that Paganism is turning in the direction of hard theism, like most of Christianity, because when I joined Paganism I thought it was a really truly radical, progressive religion that would not replace one unprovable faith-based deity with another.  Not so, I&#8217;m finding.  Not so.</p>
<p>Christian-bashing does little good, but I think it is vital that we take care not to become &#8220;like&#8221; Christians in certain ways. Specifically, the ways that it is no longer functional and fulfilling in our modern context and lives.</p>
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		<title>By: B. T. Newberg</title>
		<link>http://humanisticpaganism.com/2012/07/01/big-history-a-core-narrative-for-hp/#comment-2646</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[B. T. Newberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;an &quot;underling metaphor&quot;

-- exactly!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;an &#8220;underling metaphor&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211; exactly!</p>
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		<title>By: M. Jay Lee</title>
		<link>http://humanisticpaganism.com/2012/07/01/big-history-a-core-narrative-for-hp/#comment-2645</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M. Jay Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would like to recommend “Journey of the Universe” by Brain Swimme and Mary Tucker (http://www.amazon.com/Journey-Universe-Brian-Thomas-Swimme/dp/0300171900/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1341835439&amp;sr=1-1).  I just listened to the audio version this weekend, and it was  so good I&#039;m going to get a  text version too.  This book was published last year (June 2011) and is fairly short, only 175 pages or just under 3 hours audio time.  One of things that really stands out for me is the way Swimme and Tucker speak about the Universe and its inhabitants.  What they say is (as far as I understand it) scientifically accurate, but they speak about the Universe in a way that conveys an integrity of beingness.  This is very different form most scientific descriptions, which speak of nature as an it conveying an underling metaphor of nature as machine.  This  subtle shift in language is one of the most significant and potentially transforming aspects of evolutionary spirituality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to recommend “Journey of the Universe” by Brain Swimme and Mary Tucker (<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Journey-Universe-Brian-Thomas-Swimme/dp/0300171900/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1341835439&#038;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Journey-Universe-Brian-Thomas-Swimme/dp/0300171900/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1341835439&#038;sr=1-1</a>).  I just listened to the audio version this weekend, and it was  so good I&#8217;m going to get a  text version too.  This book was published last year (June 2011) and is fairly short, only 175 pages or just under 3 hours audio time.  One of things that really stands out for me is the way Swimme and Tucker speak about the Universe and its inhabitants.  What they say is (as far as I understand it) scientifically accurate, but they speak about the Universe in a way that conveys an integrity of beingness.  This is very different form most scientific descriptions, which speak of nature as an it conveying an underling metaphor of nature as machine.  This  subtle shift in language is one of the most significant and potentially transforming aspects of evolutionary spirituality.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Jay Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M. Jay Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 11:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In your piece and your comments about sacredness you express concerns that if Big History is viewed as the narrative core that it might become or at least that some folks might fear that it could become like the Bible, dogmatic, unquestionable, unchangeable holy scripture. I think one of the things that is really holding back paganism and pantheism is a fear of becoming like Christians.  

Sacredness can be such a vague word.  Sacredness as I understand it in its original context was that which in someway belonged to the gods.   Any object, space or activity which was dedicated to the gods would be considered sacred and also any exceptionally beautiful, majestic, powerful, or otherwise unusual places would also likely be considered sacred, as naturally belonging to a god.  That which was sacred was to be respected, revered, and kept free from pollution, but IMO sacredness in its original context did not imply perfection or unquestionable, unchangeable truth.  The Bible is considered by some Christians to be inerrant not because it is sacred, but because they believe it was actually written by God through man.  IMO the motivation for this claim has more to do with politics than any inherent characteristic of religion. 

If Big History is the narrative core of religious naturalism than it is that which is sacred because it is at the heart of the religion.  But I do think we need to remember that what is “truly sacred” is not our current understanding of Big History or any particular telling of it but the Universe itself and its/our journey to becoming,   Perhaps we should make a distinction between that which is sacred and that which is divine.  We might say that those objects, spaces, or activities dedicated to religion are sacred and should be respected and “set apart” from the secular, but these are not that which is divine.  It is Nature herself in all her multifaceted forms that is divine.  

I think our current understanding of Big History is solid enough that we can confidently develop new religious traditions based on it.  But I still think it is important as you say to remember the “provisional nature of science”, to remember that we are human and that our understanding and our ability to communicate this understanding will always be incomplete and to some extent flawed.  I really like what you said here: “No matter how much we learn about the universe, there is always so much more we don’t know – it remains infinitely beyond us. Mystery in this sense is no longer “hands off” so much as it is “impossible to lay hands on.” When we perceive that about the universe, we tend to fall silent and move with measured care, much as we instinctively do when we enter a temple.”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In your piece and your comments about sacredness you express concerns that if Big History is viewed as the narrative core that it might become or at least that some folks might fear that it could become like the Bible, dogmatic, unquestionable, unchangeable holy scripture. I think one of the things that is really holding back paganism and pantheism is a fear of becoming like Christians.  </p>
<p>Sacredness can be such a vague word.  Sacredness as I understand it in its original context was that which in someway belonged to the gods.   Any object, space or activity which was dedicated to the gods would be considered sacred and also any exceptionally beautiful, majestic, powerful, or otherwise unusual places would also likely be considered sacred, as naturally belonging to a god.  That which was sacred was to be respected, revered, and kept free from pollution, but IMO sacredness in its original context did not imply perfection or unquestionable, unchangeable truth.  The Bible is considered by some Christians to be inerrant not because it is sacred, but because they believe it was actually written by God through man.  IMO the motivation for this claim has more to do with politics than any inherent characteristic of religion. </p>
<p>If Big History is the narrative core of religious naturalism than it is that which is sacred because it is at the heart of the religion.  But I do think we need to remember that what is “truly sacred” is not our current understanding of Big History or any particular telling of it but the Universe itself and its/our journey to becoming,   Perhaps we should make a distinction between that which is sacred and that which is divine.  We might say that those objects, spaces, or activities dedicated to religion are sacred and should be respected and “set apart” from the secular, but these are not that which is divine.  It is Nature herself in all her multifaceted forms that is divine.  </p>
<p>I think our current understanding of Big History is solid enough that we can confidently develop new religious traditions based on it.  But I still think it is important as you say to remember the “provisional nature of science”, to remember that we are human and that our understanding and our ability to communicate this understanding will always be incomplete and to some extent flawed.  I really like what you said here: “No matter how much we learn about the universe, there is always so much more we don’t know – it remains infinitely beyond us. Mystery in this sense is no longer “hands off” so much as it is “impossible to lay hands on.” When we perceive that about the universe, we tend to fall silent and move with measured care, much as we instinctively do when we enter a temple.”</p>
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